Should this Rose Get One Last Chance To Bloom?

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June 18, 2014 by gregrabidoux2013

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Time to wave Rose Home?

On April 8, 1963, Peter Charles Rose took the field for the first time ever in a big-league baseball uniform for his beloved Cincinnati Reds. It was a true local boy makes good story. Rose was born April 14, 1941 in Cincinnati and the Reds, the future “Big Red Machine” of which he would serve as its spark-plug, were the only team he ever wanted to play for.

And play he did. En route to being named Rookie of the Year he also earned himself quite a reputation, some of it good, some not. He would race down the first base path on what veterans and fans saw as a sure out. He would slide head-first into bases to beat throws as a runner. “Charlie Hustle” they called this kid from Cincinnati. Many meant it as a compliment. He clearly was a winner with an unbridled passion for the game. Some saw him as too arrogant for his own good. True to his name the guy had thorns.

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51 years later we still aren’t sure what to think of this Rose

Fifty-one years later, we are still divided over just what to make of Pete Rose.

Some things of course are undeniable.

Pete Rose is the all-time major league baseball hits leader with 4,256 hits. He has also played the most games (3,562) and been at-bat the most (14,053) of any big-leaguer in history. He has 3 World Series rings, 3 batting titles, 1 MVP, 2 Gold Gloves and 17 All-Star selections at (of course) a record 5 different positions.

He also bet, gambled on the game he loved countless times.

And so, despite putting up undeniable Hall of Fame numbers Charlie Hustle remains at Third Base waiting for his Lifetime Ban to be rescinded and the “Come on Home” signal to be given.

At this point, Rose would gladly walk home to the Hall of Fame let alone slide in safely head first.

Recently, Rose told ESPN that “I’ve waited 25 years but I’ve done so because I was the one who screwed up. And if I were given a second chance I would be the happiest guy in the world.”

But does he deserve to be granted a second chance?

Man, there is a lot of bad blood and hurt feelings under the “Three Rivers Bridge.” The accusations stung, the denials were adamant, the strong words and feelings on both sides ran deep. This wasn’t a little friendly bet here and there. This was an addiction. And not by some casual fan. Rose bet on baseball, on his beloved Reds. While he played for and managed the team.

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I’ve stained baseball, at least the field, and I was forgiven!

The official ban came down in the summer of 1989. And Rose took it like well, no wilting wallflower. He was contentious. Combative. He tried to hit MLB harder than they hit him. It was Rose nearly decapitating catcher Ray Fosse in a “meaningless” All-Star game all over again. In other words, Rose was just being Rose. But this time the stakes were higher than any one game, any one hit, any one series.

This was about the Pete Rose legacy. And that mattered. More than he cared to admit.

Finally, after years of full and partial denials, Rose re-applied for re-instatement and Hall of Fame eligibility in 1997. The application still sits on then and now MLB Commissioner Bud Selig’s desk. Ignored.

Mr. Selig is set to retire this coming January of 2015.

Maybe the new baseball boss will turn over a new leaf for this Rose.

Maybe it’s time.

A lot has changed since 1963. Ironically, that same year NFL’s star QB Paul Hornung of the Green Bay Packers along with his buddy Detroit Lions legend Alex Karras admitted to betting on NFL games and “consorting with undesirables.” NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle banned both from the game for that year. By 1964 both were back in uniform and all was forgiven.

But then they were no Rose.

Philly legend Mike Schmidt says “Pete Rose is the most likable arrogant person I’ve ever met.”

Baseball in America has endured a rigged world series by the Chicago White Sox, riots over civil rights and segregation with the great Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier and the more recent PED scandals with the likes of guys not named Rose but Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire and Braun.

It will endure even thrive with or without Rose.

But the Hall of Fame sure doesn’t seem complete without its all-time hits leader being invited to slide home one last time.

Pete once said that “I’d walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball.”

Today he admits he “screwed up.”

Is it time to let this Rose stop burning, put the suit down and let him Bloom?

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39 thoughts on “Should this Rose Get One Last Chance To Bloom?

  1. 2r2d says:

    Reblogged this on 2r2d and commented:
    Pete Rose!!!!

  2. Brandon T says:

    MLB brass is super hypocrites! They look the other way on steroid use cuz Sosa and McGwire brought fans and tv ratings and they keep Rose locked in the basement. Bud Selig is an old fuddy-duddy who needs to go sit in a rocking hair! Time to as Dr. R says, let Rose slide home!!

  3. Crayton M says:

    Amen. What Pete did is tame to today’s thug athletes! You can’t have a Hall of Fame without the King!

  4. Luke E says:

    Pete Rose is the man! Love, hate, like, or tolerate him he is one of the best to ever play the game. I agree coalitions should enforce rules and encourage athletes to be role models. Then again, is a sporting organization the morality police? Shouldn’t mom and dad brace their little bell or beau that professional athletes aren’t perfect? I don’t pretend to know this situation completely, and correct me if I am wrong. Did Pete Rose throw games, or did he just gamble? To my understanding he was a gambler. I find it hard to believe that someone with those stats was actively throwing games. If he played hard and deliberately tried to win every time he should be in the hall of fame. Just because you think your team doesn’t have a chance does that mean you try to sabotage the team’s effort. No.

  5. Samuel D says:

    I find it laughable that Pete Rose is still banned from baseball while many players who have constantly been linked to PEDs (Bonds, Sosa, McGuire) still have the opportunity to enter the Hall of Fame (even if it is highly unlikely for them). I do not know every detail of Rose’s situation or even the stories of the alleged PED users, but the use of PEDs seems much more damaging to the game than gambling (even on baseball). PED use should warrant a lifetime ban because it does destroy the integrity of the game. Gambling should be punished, but a lifetime ban has just been too much, especially considering the issues baseball faces today from its players. It almost feels like a power move from Bud Selig to show the baseball world how much power he has.

    • Samuel-a few years back I lived in Milwaukee, and a friend of mine swears he heard Selig (he and his family used to own the Milwaukee Brewers baseball team) in a bar (Lakefront Brewery) one night after a game talking with his buddies about Rose. This was before Selig ever became Commissioner. Anyways, it was late, they all were pretty drunk apparently and my friend says he hears Bud say “Well if I were head of BB that little @*&^$ would never get into the Hall, arrogant SOB got what he deserved.” Guess his position hasn’t changed in 20 years!

      • Nicole J says:

        Who cares if he was arrogant. He put up the numbers. Muhammad Ali was arrogant and was always running his mouth. I’ll give him credit though, every time he said he was going to knock someone out.. he did. Rose shouldn’t have gambled, but you can’t deny his statistics.

  6. Shaun J says:

    Pete Rose’s accomplishments belong in the hall of fame and I don’t personally have a problem with him ever being enshrined in Cooperstown….but I get it if he never does. He bet on baseball, to include games he managed although he says he never bet on them to lose so he was playing to always win. But he admitted that he didn’t bet on all of the Red’s games while he was managing so the integrity of the games he didn’t bet on must come in to question. Did he save relievers arms for a game the following day he may have had money on, did he adjust his lineups or rotation to fit the match-ups or the betting lines? He’s like Lance Armstrong in my eyes. Deny, deny, deny, accuse others, point fingers……never mind I did it. He should have came clean originally, it’s going to take the old guard going away before he’s ever in. However that still hasn’t helped Shoeless Joe Jackson and he batted .375 for the “Black Sox” in the 1919 series.

  7. Nicole J says:

    Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame over several other players. Betting doesn’t physically enhance your strength or performance so his records are of his own makings and had nothing to do with illegal substances. After so many years I don’t see a point in him playing ball again. It’s been too long, but I’m so tired of rich or famous people being pardoned for their illegal behavior just because they are rich or famous. By continuing to pardon them, society is solidifying the fact that they think they are invisible, or above the law. If you know you are only going to get a small slap on the wrist for knowingly participating in illegal activities, what’s there to stop you next time? It’s like the guy who pleaded not to be sent to jail because he was too rich… and it worked. Makes me wonder if I become filthy rich that I can break any law I want and get away with it because I have money, Anyways, I agree with Pete Rose’s punishment for being banned from baseball, but the Hall of Fame is another thing. It’s not like he was using PEDs, or that he got those statistics illegally. He was a fantastic ball player who just happened to have a gambling addiction.

  8. Thomas C says:

    Pete Rose broke the rules and deserved to be punished, but for how long (according to Rule 21, permanently). This case is pretty cut and dry, right? Well, not really. Gambling in, or perhaps more appropriately on baseball is as much a part Baseball as PEDs. Similar to the inconsistencies with PED punishments, gambling penalties are subjective. So, who has the moral authority to decide what is honorable, OWNERS, really (don’t be fooled folks, Bud Selig is a puppet for the owners)? Did you know that “Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle and Ferguson Jenkins have all been on the Major League Baseball Ineligible List [and yet] all three are now in the Hall of Fame, having been reinstated” (http://what-the-hall.info/index.shtml?gamblers). Unfortunately, it does not take much research to show that this example is not exclusive. Therein lays my dilemma! Now back to the question, will Pete Rose ever be reinstated from his lifetime ban? I think so. I do find it ironic that it is the same flawed system where impartiality is replaced by subjective justice that makes Rose’s reinstatement possible. Who would have bet on that!

  9. Xenia J says:

    I’ve always believed in second chances. I know very little about Pete Rose, although I do remember the scandal and I remember the controversy. It would be interesting to know more about what he has been doing and what he has learned form his experience. If he has truly learned the error of his ways, there would be no harm in him being reinstated.

  10. Andrew D says:

    The fact that Pete Rose’s accomplishments have been denied enshrinement at Cooperstown is laughable to say the least. His numbers speak for themselves. The Baseball Hall of Fame is not a moral or character award. One could easily argue that Rose (and others already in the HOF) suffers from several character flaws. However, he played the game well in a much different era of MLB. The current state of MLB has introduced a degree of skepticism when it comes to player success. With accusations of PED usage running rampant among some of the game’s biggest starts one must wonder who the truly talented players are. I don’t recall Rose ever being accused of PED usage. I have always believed that Rose was used to prove a point and serve as an example to others that the Commissioner has the last word. How many other player/managers have been involved in gambling that we don’t know about? Had he been accused of throwing games, we might be dealing with a different story. Instead, he bet for his team. To me that gives someone a little more incentive to win. After 25 years I think that the example was made and it is time to judge the man on the merit of his play long before he bet his chances away.

  11. Geri says:

    When I first wrote my reply (without researching what players and the reason why they were banned), my initial thought was “well who were they hurting? Themselves, right?). Sure, have them re-instate Pete Rose. But then after researching and thinking more about this subject, this is my thoughts (And I changed my mind).
    Yes, Pete Rose did set a bad example for others in the sport as well as “that little boy who believes someday he will be a player”. During the 1919 World Series, there were many players who tried to throw the game! For what! So they could look good and have the glory? What the players of the 1919 World Series did was absolutely wrong and what type of examples are they showing the young people. Now they should not ever be re-instated into the The Hall of Fame. For Pete Rose’s case, according to (http://what-the-hall.info/index.shtml?gamblers), the wording says “Ties to Gabbling”. Pete Rose has admitted to gambling but never admitting gambling on games. And he may never will. However the facts are that there were other players who have been arrested for Domestic Violence (DV), drugs, and alcohol and banned for a short period of time from the Hall of Fame and are now re-instated. Yes, betting against a game to look good and have the glory is wrong, but so is being arrested for DV, drugs, and alcohol. After much thought on the Pete Rose situation, NO he should not be re-instated. However, I really feel the commissioners and owners need to look at the policies and really evaluate their policies on what type of circumstances get a player from ever going into the Hall of Fame. Baseball is a game and for the spectators and all the team members are supposed to be a good role model for the up-coming young players and for all young people. The reason I said no, is because every sport player knows that gambling and gambling on the game is wrong and they only do it for their own gain and nothing else matters. They really do not care about the game itself or their fans…

  12. Burton F says:

    I am a big fan of the Reds. My prime baseball interest peaked in the mid to late 1970’s as a 12 year old in Georgia. MLB Baseball was a non-event in the 1970’s and 1980’s in Georgia. I found my baseball attraction with the Big Red Machine in Cincinnati. Pete Rose was my favorite player and still is my favorite. Pete made baseball worth watching, cheering and following. Pete belongs in the Hall of Fame. He admits he made mistakes. The question is should he get a second chance. There are numerous MBL players to make mistakes. That seem to flame out with a whimper. Roger Clemons used PED’s lied to congress. What is going on with that case? I don’t know, I bet many other baseball fans don’t know either. Steve Howe a great pitcher primarily with the Dodgers was give many ,many chances to clean up his drug abuse problem. Drugs killed Steve Howe in 2006. Pete Rose is 73 years old. The man has been punished enough in my opinion. If the scales of justice were used to describe Pete Rose it would be clear that baseball has benefited more from Pete Rose than it was tarnished by Pete Rose. Put Pete in his place, The Hall of Fame.

    • Burton, wow, for some reason it didn’t hit me (his age-73) as you point out. He will always be the guy hustling, head first into second base. Just can’t wrap my head around his age. Good point.

  13. Andrew N says:

    Rose has sat out of baseball for enough time and deserves to be reinstated. As part of Pete Rose’s ban he has been unable to participate in anything affiliated with baseball despite the exception to participate in the pre-game induction of the baseball’s All-Century Team during the 1999 World Series in Atlanta. Twenty five years is a long time for a man who lived, breathed, and bled baseball. Pete Rose was one of the fiercest competitors the game has ever seen. He ran full speed to first base on walks, played out every play like it was his first, and crashed into catchers who dared block home plate. His competitive nature earned him the name “Charlie Hustle,” but it also cost him his easy ticket into baseball’s elite hall of fame.

    Yes, Pete Rose broke Rule 21-d, which says that no player shall bet any sum with which the better has a duty to perform and will be declared permanently ineligible. I have yet to find anywhere in that rule that says the person shall be banned from baseball for life. Pete Rose did not bet to throw Cincinnati Reds games, he bet on the team to win. In twenty five years, nobody has been able to prove he bet on his own team to lose. Some of his critics argue that as the manager, he could control games by making decisions that could enhance his chances of winning his bets, thus hurting the integrity of the game. Unless he is betting on how many innings his pitchers will stay in the game, I don’t think you find any manager that doesn’t try and make decisions that will win them a game. As a manager you don’t get anything for losing, unless of course you are gambling, but Pete Rose would never have bet against his own team.

    Rose’s gambling did not affect him as a player. He is still the all-time hits leader, games played, at bats, singles, and outs leader. He was a 17 time All-Star at a record five different positions. The man can play baseball despite his addiction to gambling. Pete Rose’s life-time ban punishment was given after he had retired, not while he was playing. His stats as a ball player should still stand. How can he be the all-time hits leader and not be in the Hall of Fame? His accomplishments as a ball player should be honored as his gambling addictions never affected his personal stats.

    Denny McLain won 31 games a pitcher with the Detroit Tigers in 1968-the last player to win over 30 games in one season. He had a few good seasons after that and then his last eight years in the game he compiled a 76-76 winning record. Outside of baseball, Denny McLain had convictions for racketeering, money laundering, cocaine, and embezzling people’s retirement funds. McLain is eligible for the hall of fame, but Pete Rose isn’t?

    Pete Rose has sat out of baseball for the last twenty five years and certainly knows he should have never gambled on his beloved game of baseball. People have gotten pardoned for far worse things than betting on your own team to win. Let him back into baseball and honor him for his performance on the field.

    • Andrew-I had no idea about Denny McClain, sure seems hard to square with Rose’s situation. I found it intriguing that Bryce Harper whom many have compared to Rose for his hustle got benched recently for (yes) loping down to first and not hustling. I just don’t know if we’ll ever see the likes of Rose again.

  14. Patricia B says:

    I like Pete Rose. I lived not far from Cincinnati when Rose was playing and was a fan of the way he played. Not only that, he did a lot of good things in the area that weren’t always in the press. However, for me, what it comes down to is this. No matter how much people would like to think that the Baseball Hall of Fame truly represents the best players in the game, the voting is not done by coaches, other players or even the general public. The players selected to go in to the HOF are selected by the Baseball Writers Association of America. How the nominees played the game is only one of the criteria for selection.

    The election rules read as follows:

    “Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.”
    http://baseballhall.org/hall-famers/rules-election/bbwaa

    Until this selection criteria is changed and Hall of Famers are selected purely on their stats, Rose doesn’t stand much of a chance even if he is reinstated. Was his banishment from baseball too severe. In my opinion, yes. But I also don’t feel that an exception should be made for him just because he was a great player. The first thing anyone involved in a sport learns is that the rules are the rules. So – entertaining character, fantastic ballplayer, nice guy – yes, Pete Rose fits that description. But he fails the test when it comes to integrity and character and the rules say that for entrance into the Hall of Fame, those matter.

  15. Rachel B. says:

    I’ll admit I am not the biggest baseball fan. In terms of sports and my knowledge of them, baseball wouldn’t rank at the top of that list. Maybe it’s my lack of knowledge that has me baffled by this. I understand that Rose made some pretty bad decisions. Some pretty stupid ones too. He was arrogant, although if I was as good as he was at something I would probably be a little arrogant too. Regardless of his downfalls, the numbers show he was a phenomenal athlete. You don’t hold records without being pretty great. The fact that someone with his talent isn’t even allowed a chance at the Hall of Fame seems unfair. He messed up and while what he did may have been huge at the time look at athletes today and their stupid mistakes. They are not punished nearly as bad as Rose was/is. He’s not going to play baseball again. That ship sailed a long time ago. He admits he screwed up and I’m sure he knows his choices put him where he is. The extent of his punishment makes you wonder if it is a personal vendetta by Bud Selig. It will be interesting to see what happens with a new commissioner. Maybe nothing will change, but maybe it will. It seems to me like a great shame to have someone that talented, and holding several MLB records, not in the Hall of Fame.

  16. Dylan G says:

    Let the man in. Pete Rose has suffered long enough for his past actions and deserves to join the group of elite players that make up the MLB hall of fame. His hustle and true grit while on the baseball field is an example to all children on how the game of baseball should be played. Gambling is nothing to be taken lightly and his mistakes have been punished by forcing him to sit back and watch all his peers join the hall of fame. Time for MLB to show some compassion and allow one of the greatest hitters of all time to occupy his earned spot inside the hall of fame.

  17. Michael R. says:

    Pete Rose’s stats speak for themselves. 4,256 hits is an astonishing number. Couple that with a batting average above .300 and 3 World Series rings, 3 batting titles, 1 MVP, 2 Gold Gloves and 17 All-Star selections, I definitely believe it is time to let Pete into Cooperstown. What I find interesting is that there are current MLB stadiums with casino signs placed throughout. If gambling is so frowned upon by the MLB, as evidenced by Rose’s continued exclusion from the HOF, then why does the league allow such signs in its team’s stadiums? He didn’t take PEDs. He took responsibility for his actions and subsequently apologized. Let him in.

  18. Sharriette F says:

    Baseball is one of my all-time favorite sports. In my dreams, I would grow up and become the world’s greatest female baseball player. I was young. I didn’t realize the women were playing softball and the men were playing baseball. I was a bit sad when I learned the difference, yet I continued to watch baseball. To this day, I still prefer a baseball game playing in my background and I still believe that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. It is absurd that he was punished so severely for something that would barely grab our attention now. I forgive him. In fact, I never understood the big deal. He gambled. As addictive as I’ve heard gambling can be, it is not in the same category of performance enhancing drugs, or other tricks of the trade employed by those who don’t have Rose’s talent. They get to serve a suspension and eventually be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Rose is still enduring a lifetime ban for acts that did not alter his performance. It is time for the ban to be over. I hope that Selig and the like will operate in forgiveness and remove this vindictive ban. I am sure God will bless them for it.

  19. Massi M says:

    For the past twenty-five plus years it has bothered me that baseball would deny one of its greatest players the privilege of enshrinement into the Hall of Fame. I understand that he broke the rule by gambling on the baseball and later denying it but if you’re going to have a process of recognizing the best players, coaches, owners, and contributors of all time; how can the leader in hits, games, and at-bat not be included. Pete Rose should continue to be banded from baseball because you want to send a strong message but this three time World Series Champion, Most Valuable Player, Gold Glover winner, and Seventeen times All-Star should be allowed into the Hall of Fame for credibility purposes. Charlie Hustle as Pete has been affectionately called played the game as hard as any could expect from a professional athlete and despite some arrogance, was liked by his teammate and coaches alike. I have always felt that Bud Selig has a personal dislike for Pete Rose and that Pete’s introduction into the HOF would be after Selig was retired/removed from baseball. In the future, the next commissioner of baseball will make decision reflect the morality of baseball with the steroid generate coming up for the HOF, I hope this person has any common sense to understand that just because you ban a person from the game don’t mean you can ban them from its history.

  20. Anya C says:

    I personally think they should let him into the Hall. I mean with the steroid and other performance enhancing drug scandals that has occurred since then, betting seems to pale in comparison. Although I believe what he did was very wrong, I grew up in an age where there were worse things occurring with sports. You can’t take all his accomplishments away. Look at the image the NFL has with the murders, drugs, and alcohol related incidents and even college football. Pete Rose should be given a chance to be voted in and put a asterisk by his name if they must. Gambling on your own team is bad, but there are plenty worse things.

  21. taylor d says:

    Without question should he be allowed back in baseball. Although he did break some major rules it is no worse than when an NFL star drunkenly runs into a pedestrian and kills them.

  22. Julie M says:

    Baseball seems to have held players to a higher standard on and off the field; however the Performance Enhancing Drug scandals, strikes and lockouts, even increasing ticket prices and commercialization of the baseball park/ sports arena experience have affected its popularity. To me, baseball is for kids as much as it is for adults to enjoy, as Shariette mentions, children grow up playing and loving the game. So these decisions, which always involve money, power and influence, also need to be evaluated on their effects on the next generation of fans. That’s the thing about reporting on each of these issues rather than burying them- bringing them to light saves the game for the next generation. On reinstating Pete Rose, if it were only an issue of politics, and a comparatively minor offense, then pardoning him/ giving him eligibility for the Hall of Fame would honor his dedication to the game and potentially encourage those coming up to play with the same intensity. But at the same time, there’s a line and a code of conduct for a reason.

  23. Sedric C says:

    We all make mistakes. Pete Rose has been out the game long enough. The betting had nothing to do with Pete Rose on the field performance. How could baseball let the best hitter ever sit to the side. Baseball has had steroid problem but those players still hang around the game. Bud Selig how long does it takes to forgive.

  24. matthew.p says:

    Pete Rose did make some poor decisions. He angered and betrayed a lot of people that still have a difficult time forgiving. However, if we live in a society that is unwilling to forgive or allow someone to pay for its sins, we are living in dangerous times. We all make mistakes and do things we wish we haven’t done. Even though he made poor decisions, he has paid for his mistakes. Even if he were allowed to return to baseball, he would still struggle to regain the trust of others. Its time for MLB to forgive and forget. He has paid for his mistake and its time to move on.

  25. Thomas R says:

    Pete Rose has earned the Hall of Fame. There’s no question that he made mistakes in his life. I believe in second chances. Rose should be an automatic Hall of Famer. Everyone has their problems and obviously Rose fought a gambling addiction that he just couldn’t seem to shake. But lets think about who we are talking about here for a second. We are talking about Pete Rose. He is the all-time MLB hits leader, played in the most games of any big-leaguer, and also been to bat more times than any player before. He has won world series, batting titles, an MVP, couple Gold Gloves, and made countless All-Star appearances. One of the greatest ever period. I hear my dad talk about the Reds teams back in the day and he always talks about Pete Rose. He told me no one wanted to win more than Rose and he played the game the way it was supposed to be played. I never saw the guy play but I wish I would have. I have a ton of respect for someone like that. The Hall of Fame is based on what you’ve done on the diamond and there’s no doubt Rose has made his case.

  26. Jaimie C says:

    Poor Pete Rose. I met him and got his autograph in Vegas, he was a jerk. But I still think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. WE ALL MESS UP! He was a great ball player and one discretion should not taint that. It was sad reading what he said to ESPN, he’s waited 25 years for people to forgive him. He’s apologized, reconciled, and has never done anything like it again. I think the poor guy has learned his lesson.

  27. Charles H says:

    Pete is possibly the best hitter of all time, and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Betting on baseball???? It’s a joke. Who cares? I certainly don’t. HE definitely gave more to the game than he took away, and that is what the hall is for….a place where exceptional players are enshrined for their achievements on the field. We don’t let people in the hall as players for being nice guys and great people off the field? They must perform. Then why can we keep them out of the hall for their indiscretions off the field. The Babe was a womanizer, Mickey was an alcoholic, and God knows how many people have died from cancer resulting from smokeless tobacco use due to player influence as children. It’s time. Let Pete in the hall. He deserves it.

  28. John C says:

    To answer you question in a word, NO. Pete Rose was a great baseball player, but he knew what he was doing was wrong and his new attitude that “I screwed up” proves that. He gambled on baseball and then the lied about it and he lied about it for over a decade. Unfortunately, there are penalties for our actions and Pete’s is a lifetime ban and no HOF induction. It is harsh, but to let by-gones by by-gones in this case would send a terrible message.

    • Geri says:

      Jaimie . Finally- someone who agrees with my stance on Pete Rose . I feel he knew what he was doing wrong and he did it ! He was in the wrong ! To let him in the Hall of Fame is sending the wrong meassage to future players along with our children.

  29. vtshipman says:

    I have always liked Pete Rose and will continue to do so regardless of whether he is allowed into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Yes he was wrong to bet on the team he was managing. For 25 years he has paid a heavy price and now I believe we should allow him to reap the benefits of being one of the best baseball PLAYERS of all time. Let there be a side-note that allows future visitors to this shrine to know he did bet on his team while being the manager. The way I look at it is that people who did much worse has received less punishment. The positive contributions greatly outweigh the negative. Give Pete his due – allow him to be remembered for the good while never forgetting the bad. We all have sinned. Luckily we have been forgiven.

  30. Erich C says:

    I am not the guy that is going to leave an unbiased opinion here as I have not watched a MLB baseball game since 1990. As a kid that grew up in Greater Cincinnati I was a huge fan of the Big Red Machine. My childhood idols were first Johnny Bench but Pete Rose was a close second. I believe I even still have an autograph from Rose and Bench on the same ball that I got in 1980. My stepfather used to tell me how he would bet the horse races at Latonia / Turfway Park with Pete. Pete loved gambling and that was frowned upon by the Reds and baseball back when he was playing and managing. Who really cared though, I know I didn’t I just wanted to see him play baseball.

    I don’t remember how much of the gambling scandal I blamed on Pete Rose and how much I blamed on MLB but it upset me enough to not watch baseball. Over the years baseball continued to turn me off regarding drug scandals (Darryl Strawberry) and the continuous PED scandals that are plaguing MLB. It has been enough to show that the problem with MLB is not with Pete Rose, or with the numerous other violators, it is with MLB itself.

    There is a lack of consistency that shows that MLB makes decisions with only the MLB in considered in the outcomes. PED testing and penalties are a joke as the MLB figured out that Homeruns sell baseball. In an attempt to seem legitimate they focus on a few big name players and don’t even test for growth hormone which is more a powerful PED than any steroid.

    If MLB handled other violations with the same stringency as they did Pete Rose, then I would say that Pete deserved to be suspended from baseball indefinitely. I know that the Blacksox scandal is ultimately behind the gambling rules and that is understandable.

    Pete Rose legitimately earned his records unlike Sosa, McGuire and most likely countless others. Those who used PEDs stole records from other players who did not. They also stole championships from other teams who may have had fewer players using PEDs.

    In the end Baseball is corrupt from top to bottom and I would expect nothing less from such an organization to be inconsistent with its ruling on such issues. Personally I don’t even care anymore in they re-instate Pete Rose because I have lost all respect for the organization. That being said, re-instating Rose would be the first indication that MLB might be trying to do the right thing. I doubt that I will ever watch a MLB ballgame again & I have turned down on multiple occasions free tickets to see the Yankees play. Don’t get me wrong I would love to watch a game at Yankee Stadium, its just that the MLB has pissed me off so severely that it nauseates me.

    Maybe with a new commissioner baseball will get on the right track but I’m not holding my breath.

  31. Chris D says:

    Pete Rose should absolutely be reinstated to MLB and take his rightful place in the Hall of Fame. His accomplishments on the field are undeniable and speak for themselves. So he gambled on the Reds while playing and managing for his own team. He was betting on his team to win, as we know the guy has never lacked confidence. Given his fiery competitive spirit, it wouldn’t surprise me if he instinctively played to win games that he bet they’d lose.

  32. L. Mitcham says:

    There are quite a few sports announcers and columnists who frequently use the phrase “Americans are all about giving second chances”. I don’t know if society is really all about second chances or there are many people who just don’t care about things that don’t affect them. A prime example of this is deflategate, where some people are convinced that the New England Patriots have once again been caught cheating (remember spy gate?) and others don’t see what all of the fuss is about. If you were to take a poll, I believe there would be more people that would say they don’t care if Pete Rose is elected to the baseball hall of fame than would those who still think he should not be allowed in. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if quite a few people don’t know who Pete Rose is.

  33. Zack Saunders says:

    I grew up playing and watching baseball, so naturally I am very protective of this sport. I cannot deny that Pete Rose was a phenomenal player, probably in the top 10 to ever play the game. But baseball is a sport that prides itself on integrity and keeping it classy. This is the sport that will demonize players like Yasiel Puig and Bryce Harper for flipping bats after home runs and taking extended trots around the bases. Whether it is betting on games or using steroids to gain an unfair advantage, players that do not respect the game should not gain the respect of being voted into the Hall of Fame.

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